Supplements and Gear

Currently wasting money on....


C4 - Pre workout. mentally puts me in a zone. Don't feel like working out until scooping and drinking. Instant gym mode

Walk recommended
AST Sports Science Multi Pro32x vitamin, packed with the goods. Rarely sore beyond the expected, never fatigued, must be working.

Spring Valley Fish Oil 1200 mg a piece, pop 2. Carry on, not sure what its for but I don't eat much fish.



When I remember. post scoop of GNC Creatine 5000. Recovery, usually forget.
Amino Acids in liquid form. Twin Lab. Usually forget, dries up and looks nasty, then I throw away.

Have taken :
Pre workout Seige, taste like crap, never finished it. Didn't do much
Jack3d, not near as potent as C4. Never got the same tingle or lasting pump.
Post Workout: After Glow. Lot of hype, good tasting fruit drink with a lot of science on the bottle. Too expensive to buy $50 containers for 30 days. Went back on whey.

I take a few supplements

Nature Made Burpless Fish Oil: 1200 mg pills, 3x a day....noticeable affect on my joints, less soreness

Universal ZMA Pro: Mix of Zinc, Vitamin B6, and Magnesium....take it on an empty stomach before bed

MultiVitamin w/ greens



Preworkout (about an hour before), I do a banana and some peanuts, (if I'm tired, a small iced coffee)

Post workout, either dinner with fruit, or a protein shake

total nutrition whey protein. strawberry sherbert flavor. best tasting protein ive ever had. kinda tastes like red bull. would probably be even better if it was made with super cold water but i dont have time for that nonsense.

ATS labs Invasion: epistane 15mg, furazan 50mg

that's the only stuff i take. i was thinking about creatine but ehhh.

I went to that site and don't see a product bottle of compounds. Do you ask them to mix stuff as special order or is there another underground link not shown on home page?

Hate being lured into the nonsense but that Test PSI seems scientifically worded worthy.

Alpha wrote:I went to that site and don't see a product bottle of compounds. Do you ask them to mix stuff as special order or is there another underground link not shown on home page?

Hate being lured into the nonsense but that Test PSI seems scientifically worded worthy.

i buy from the total nutrition shop that's a couple miles from my house. the owner hooks me up with free t shirts every time i buy stuff. they ALWAYS have new pro-hormone products on the shelf. the companies websites dont list much because a lot of them are dummy companies that the parent company wont care much about if their products are banned by the feds. then they just start up another dummy company and keep on sellin.

So that's a dummy site behind the better stuff?

Wonder if it's legal to buy and ship around by USPS

I haven't taken supplements in months but can I post what I use to take? Lol

Bought some Acai berry pills for a cleanse before doing next supplement run. Just had to run out of a salon I was working in and go find bathroom. lol Warning label didn't say, will shit in 3-4 hours.

You do realize that is all horse sh*t right?

Think about what the cleanse entails. Your body is a manufacturing device that operates at its highest peak available.

When it is cold it saps heat from your extremities to keep the core warm. When you overheat it expels excess heat through evaporation and cools you with sweating. When you eat something bad or are sick you expel said food or sickness through mucous and vomiting and or diarrhea. The food, vitamins and everything you consume is either used or excreted. Your kidneys and liver do not hold onto anything. It is either broken or not broken. If they are broken they just do not filter properly or break chemicals down properly, however there is no filing cabinet in your body where sh*t gets stored.

They might find trace chemicals in your kidneys or liver if they cut them open but that is only if the proper amount of time has not gone by which is not measured in days for most things other than Motrin and if you are taking a pro-hormone than you should not be drinking or taking Ibuprofen anyway. Your heart does not store blood in it and if it did it would soon form calcium deposits and or be walled off.

Good bacteria live inside your intestines and your colon. Instead of cleanse help filter by drinking more water and ingesting the proper bacteria and taking the multi pro 32x.

I hope that does not come off as preachy, bitchy or no it all, it was not meant to be but it does read that way a little so I apologize in advance.

I'm eating horse shit?

Gonna more accredit it to drinking lots of green tea in last 2 days trying to get over week long sinus crap. Water n vitamins is a definite everyday.


Still didn't order the stack. I keep looking at non stop bills and never pull the trigger on ordering.

And feel free to offer knowledge, especially that which saves money on nonsense.

Ain't to proud to learn.

so im halfway through week 5 of my 6 week epistane/furazan cycle. i started at 200 pounds and am now at 207 pounds. i think i need to skip epistane for my next cycle because the strength gains are not near as much as with my last cycle, but that could have also been because i was also stacking with halodrol. but the size gains are noticable.

1st and 2nd week: 30mg of epi and 100mg of fura
3rd and 4th week: 45mg of epi and 150mg of fura
5th and 6th week: 60mg of epi and 200mg of fura

so far im not really noticing any side effects like i had with halodrol such as night sweats, waking up 5 times a night, libido loss, etc. the only thing i can say ive had as a side effect is painful lower back pumps when doing deadlifts and bent over rows. also some mildly uncomfortable shoulder pumps but nothing compared to the painful shoulder pumps i got with halodrol. no matter where i put my arms trying to let my shoulders completely relax, the pain was just awful. im not feeling any libido loss, just got laid twice today infact   

i think because furazan is less orally bioavailable and has a lower conversion rate to testosterone, its just not as potent of a steroid as halo.

ill give another update halfway through week 6 because im expecting lots of strength gains on the tail end of this cycle.

Otis wrote:so im halfway through week 5 of my 6 week epistane/furazan cycle. i started at 200 pounds and am now at 207 pounds. i think i need to skip epistane for my next cycle because the strength gains are not near as much as with my last cycle, but that could have also been because i was also stacking with halodrol. but the size gains are noticable.

1st and 2nd week: 30mg of epi and 100mg of fura
3rd and 4th week: 45mg of epi and 150mg of fura
5th and 6th week: 60mg of epi and 200mg of fura

so far im not really noticing any side effects like i had with halodrol such as night sweats, waking up 5 times a night, libido loss, etc. the only thing i can say ive had as a side effect is painful lower back pumps when doing deadlifts and bent over rows. also some mildly uncomfortable shoulder pumps but nothing compared to the painful shoulder pumps i got with halodrol. no matter where i put my arms trying to let my shoulders completely relax, the pain was just awful. im not feeling any libido loss, just got laid twice today infact   

i think because furazan is less orally bioavailable and has a lower conversion rate to testosterone, its just not as potent of a steroid as halo.

ill give another update halfway through week 6 because im expecting lots of strength gains on the tail end of this cycle.

How long are you waiting between cycles? I guess actually would you have to wait that long? Maybe taking a mass after a cutting you would have to wait 60 - 90? I don't know. When I did some research about it it said that the longer you wait between cycles the better results you get from the stacks you do.

Also this is what my friend is going to take in Oct or Dec.

Spoiler:

WaLkAwaY wrote:

Otis wrote:so im halfway through week 5 of my 6 week epistane/furazan cycle. i started at 200 pounds and am now at 207 pounds. i think i need to skip epistane for my next cycle because the strength gains are not near as much as with my last cycle, but that could have also been because i was also stacking with halodrol. but the size gains are noticable.

1st and 2nd week: 30mg of epi and 100mg of fura
3rd and 4th week: 45mg of epi and 150mg of fura
5th and 6th week: 60mg of epi and 200mg of fura

so far im not really noticing any side effects like i had with halodrol such as night sweats, waking up 5 times a night, libido loss, etc. the only thing i can say ive had as a side effect is painful lower back pumps when doing deadlifts and bent over rows. also some mildly uncomfortable shoulder pumps but nothing compared to the painful shoulder pumps i got with halodrol. no matter where i put my arms trying to let my shoulders completely relax, the pain was just awful. im not feeling any libido loss, just got laid twice today infact   

i think because furazan is less orally bioavailable and has a lower conversion rate to testosterone, its just not as potent of a steroid as halo.

ill give another update halfway through week 6 because im expecting lots of strength gains on the tail end of this cycle.

How long are you waiting between cycles? I guess actually would you have to wait that long? Maybe taking a mass after a cutting you would have to wait 60 - 90? I don't know. When I did some research about it it said that the longer you wait between cycles the better results you get from the stacks you do.

Also this is what my friend is going to take in Oct or Dec.

Spoiler:

the general rule is time on = time off. so this is a 6 week cycle with 6 weeks of PCT, that means ill wait 12 weeks until i run another cycle. but that's the bare minimum. you're right though, the longer you wait between cycles, the more profound of an effect it will have. especially since my last 3 cycles have included epistane. my body is getting bored of it. i might be able to fit one more cycle in this year. i might not though. 3 cycles in one year is about the max you can do.

Otis wrote:

WaLkAwaY wrote:

Otis wrote:so im halfway through week 5 of my 6 week epistane/furazan cycle. i started at 200 pounds and am now at 207 pounds. i think i need to skip epistane for my next cycle because the strength gains are not near as much as with my last cycle, but that could have also been because i was also stacking with halodrol. but the size gains are noticable.

1st and 2nd week: 30mg of epi and 100mg of fura
3rd and 4th week: 45mg of epi and 150mg of fura
5th and 6th week: 60mg of epi and 200mg of fura

so far im not really noticing any side effects like i had with halodrol such as night sweats, waking up 5 times a night, libido loss, etc. the only thing i can say ive had as a side effect is painful lower back pumps when doing deadlifts and bent over rows. also some mildly uncomfortable shoulder pumps but nothing compared to the painful shoulder pumps i got with halodrol. no matter where i put my arms trying to let my shoulders completely relax, the pain was just awful. im not feeling any libido loss, just got laid twice today infact   

i think because furazan is less orally bioavailable and has a lower conversion rate to testosterone, its just not as potent of a steroid as halo.

ill give another update halfway through week 6 because im expecting lots of strength gains on the tail end of this cycle.

How long are you waiting between cycles? I guess actually would you have to wait that long? Maybe taking a mass after a cutting you would have to wait 60 - 90? I don't know. When I did some research about it it said that the longer you wait between cycles the better results you get from the stacks you do.

Also this is what my friend is going to take in Oct or Dec.

Spoiler:

the general rule is time on = time off. so this is a 6 week cycle with 6 weeks of PCT, that means ill wait 12 weeks until i run another cycle. but that's the bare minimum. you're right though, the longer you wait between cycles, the more profound of an effect it will have. especially since my last 3 cycles have included epistane. my body is getting bored of it. i might be able to fit one more cycle in this year. i might not though. 3 cycles in one year is about the max you can do.

Usually epi is used to cut right? You did not seem like you needed to lose that much weight. Is there another benefit of it that I have not read about?

This stuff interests me even though I can never take it. I will stick to HGH in about 5 years or so. Or actually I could do it now but it would be such a low dose it would be worthless other than making my skin a little nicer and my hair a little shinier or healthier.

WaLkAwaY wrote:

Otis wrote:

WaLkAwaY wrote:

Otis wrote:so im halfway through week 5 of my 6 week epistane/furazan cycle. i started at 200 pounds and am now at 207 pounds. i think i need to skip epistane for my next cycle because the strength gains are not near as much as with my last cycle, but that could have also been because i was also stacking with halodrol. but the size gains are noticable.

1st and 2nd week: 30mg of epi and 100mg of fura
3rd and 4th week: 45mg of epi and 150mg of fura
5th and 6th week: 60mg of epi and 200mg of fura

so far im not really noticing any side effects like i had with halodrol such as night sweats, waking up 5 times a night, libido loss, etc. the only thing i can say ive had as a side effect is painful lower back pumps when doing deadlifts and bent over rows. also some mildly uncomfortable shoulder pumps but nothing compared to the painful shoulder pumps i got with halodrol. no matter where i put my arms trying to let my shoulders completely relax, the pain was just awful. im not feeling any libido loss, just got laid twice today infact   

i think because furazan is less orally bioavailable and has a lower conversion rate to testosterone, its just not as potent of a steroid as halo.

ill give another update halfway through week 6 because im expecting lots of strength gains on the tail end of this cycle.

How long are you waiting between cycles? I guess actually would you have to wait that long? Maybe taking a mass after a cutting you would have to wait 60 - 90? I don't know. When I did some research about it it said that the longer you wait between cycles the better results you get from the stacks you do.

Also this is what my friend is going to take in Oct or Dec.

Spoiler:

the general rule is time on = time off. so this is a 6 week cycle with 6 weeks of PCT, that means ill wait 12 weeks until i run another cycle. but that's the bare minimum. you're right though, the longer you wait between cycles, the more profound of an effect it will have. especially since my last 3 cycles have included epistane. my body is getting bored of it. i might be able to fit one more cycle in this year. i might not though. 3 cycles in one year is about the max you can do.

Usually epi is used to cut right? You did not seem like you needed to lose that much weight. Is there another benefit of it that I have not read about?

This stuff interests me even though I can never take it. I will stick to HGH in about 5 years or so. Or actually I could do it now but it would be such a low dose it would be worthless other than making my skin a little nicer and my hair a little shinier or healthier.

epi is used to cut yes, but epi is still a steroid and it still increases strength and mass. its also one of the more friendly compounds in that it doesnt come with a ton of sides like a bulking compound such as superdrol or pheraplex. on a 4 week cycle of one of those, you will put on 15-20 pounds, but you will also shred your liver, negatively affect your cholesterol and blood pressure, and your natural test production will be completely shut down.

Hate reading the truths

Gain, Grow, Results!!.... then sides. Libido suffrage, liver strain, backne, gyno, joint pains ....

Today is my 10th day of taking Epistane, 30 mg a day.

Strength gains are pretty ridiculous.

Packed on any weight yet?

i just wish i had a source for real gear. would never take orals again. would be on a 3 month cycle and put on major gainz.

I found notebook paper full of prices from years ago when I was at a gym. Guy gave me a list and said gimme money and orders. Amazing how simple it could have been.

just an update, my strength is through the roof. especially the strength of my back.

the other day i was doing bent over barbell rows, sets of 10 with 185. and standing overhead press for sets of 8 with 135.

Real results. Instead of people who make the product spamming nonsense all over.

Yea I gained 20 lbs of shredded muscle while eating pizza and never going to the gym. Thanks Hydro-Water!

Don't fall into that post cycle depression thing. Just for those that might not know. Last week of cycle taking PCT, natural test levels will return about this time, strength declines and motivation declines after a cycle and it depresses some people, they either stop or immediately take another cycle because they need that strength and miss the feeling.

^^ I racked weights and left the gym before. Didn't go back for a week.

Started losing the weight and strength slowly, when I couldn't bench my warm up weight from  weeks prior.. I had a mental hissy fit and just left.

But I was young broke and stupid. There was no PCT. Just had to have that bottle of test prop that sounded like insta-big in a bottle.