Dom;1081949 wrote:What the guys said. Both things would be horrible, but in the end the saving of so many people greatly outweighs the suffering of the kids.
The kids parents should try to protect their kids from the suffering though and try to hide them or escape with them or something. I know I would. **** the facts.
Gosh Walk why do you make me think about things like these so early in the morning?
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Mojo;1081971 wrote:Personally, if I were one of those kids I'd tear down the entire establishment and all its worth before I would consider anything.
Tearing down the establishment would not be the answer the world would need. If that were to happen I would hope that whatever government is housing the person would do the right thing.
TomOnDuty;1081976 wrote:Do you have kids ?
I do not. Is this a "if you don't have kids you wont understand thing"
TomOnDuty;1081976 wrote:I wouldn't put my young kids through torcherous procedures like that , especially if they didn't want to . Plus there is no guarantee that they come up with something that helps everyone else
In the beginning I stated that they already know it works they are just trying to find the highest concentration of the antibodies for faster development of a cure.
TomOnDuty;1081976 wrote:and that's just me good luck trying to get past my wife who would likely kill anyone who would force her to do that . IMO subjecting these kids to painful procedures against their will is sick . Actually the more I think about it the more this angers me .
If the government wanted to they would be able to do it, regardless of who was standing in front of them.
TomOnDuty;1081979 wrote:Here is another thing to think about the gov I truly believe is worried about a population problem and look at these deaths as a good thing .
They might indeed.
TomOnDuty;1081976 wrote:I also believe they make to much on these diseases to actually ever find a cure . I believe they have found cures for these diseases, and the people that have found them good for them they won't die . But they got bought out buy the pharmaceutical companies.
One might think this however look at this. During the big bird flu scare or any big scare that people see coming governments pay for cures to be developed. They pay for the research and cure to be made once found, from the money of tax payers. So the whole process causes the government to get deeper in debt. The pharmaceutical company that sells the vaccine back to the government is stuck with millions of vials of a vaccine that is not needed and loses money. That is why most pharmaceutical companies will not work with the government on the next big "scare-demic" unless they get at least half up front.
Just an excerpt from a talking point I read which ties into the whole pandemic or as I call it scare-demic:
Bird Flu is of course, this year's Y2K. Or "Mad Cow," Hantavirus, Killer Bee invasion, SARS, West Nile Disease, and/or asteroid that's going to collide with the Earth. Every few years we have to get the American and world public so paranoid about something that barely exists that people go out and stock up on duct tape and saran wrap, and this year Bird Flue is the winner. This disease has killed 124 people worldwide in 3 years in a bunch of countries where medical science, hygiene and honesty are all areas that time forgot. Last year, we needed to spend $1000 gazillion on a Tsunami warning system to protect California, this year we need to spend $1 more than that to keep us all from turning into roosters. The specifics change, but the premise is the same; people like to have things to worry about, no matter how unreal a threat they are.
TomOnDuty;1081976 wrote:You guys that are for this are just assuming when it's all said an done that there will be a cure . I don't see it that way . I think they will either not come up with one or only real ease a short term fix .
As I stated before they know the antibodies these kids (at least in my scenario) have will 100% cure the new virus that is killing millions.
TomOnDuty;1081976 wrote:Plus what are wwe talking about preventing new diseases or current diseases , cause you are kind of making it sound like the plague is making a comeback and these kids can help
In my scenario it is a new disease that has struck the planet.
alx-ndr;1081981 wrote:You should watch the film 'Unthinkable' where the US gov employs someone to do unthinkable things to prevent a terrorist attack that will kill millions... it raises very similar points to your thread.
I have. I saw nothing wrong with the film as far as I can recall. Though it has been some time since I saw it and it is a little hazy for me.
golfnugget;1081995 wrote:I'm leaning more towards Tom's feeling on this. I didn't bring kid's into the world in order for them to live life in pain and suffering. I had a hard time deciding whether to have children or not in the first place because I wasn't sure that I wanted to bring them into the world given the direction that society is going due to things such as social inequality. I feel as a parent that my children's well being and giving them a chance to live a healthy and successful life are my main priorities, so I could never allow them to be treated like a guinea pig.
I am also beginning to think that modern medicine has had a hugely negative impact on the world's population and that we (humans) are not allowing nature to take it's course and cull the population. Looking at some of the current population growth models, we could be as near as 40 years from our population exceeding the planet's capacity to house us. It's sad to think of all the hardships humans would face from a plague wreaking havoc, but in the end I think the human population is in need of a trimming.
While I tend to agree with letting nature take its course. I want to ask you a question. I mean no disrespect with this question and in fact could have asked it of anyone. So I apologize to you if you take offense. If you feel
golfnugget;1081995 wrote:as a parent that my children's well being and giving them a chance to live a healthy and successful life are my main priorities
then what if modern medicine's
golfnugget;1081995 wrote:hugely negative impact on the world's population and that we (humans) are not allowing nature to take it's course and cull the populationin
golfnugget;1081995 wrote:the end I think the human population is in need of a trimming.
and it started with your children? And not a "The Happening" type scenario where people vanish but a slow agonizing painful hemorrhagic fever type death. What if all the worlds children where dying and the only thing to save them are the antibodies from these kids. What should happen then? As people watch their children basically liquify in front of them. Lets change the scenario a little bit, what if it were two adults that they were the answer, who held the cure in their bodies. What should be done then if they did not want to help and children were dying off at an alarming rate?
Remember I said it is infecting the entire world animals and people, the virus may have started out in cattle and mutated to inffect all other animals including humans.
I think everyone seems to assume that my scenario is happening in the United States. Okay for the sake of keeping it simple.
Lets say that the united states is harboring these children and we refuse to do tests on them. We refuse to use them in order to harvest the cure from them. Millions all over the world have already died form this disease. Whole animal species are wiped out and no longer exist. What do you think is going to happen when the first nation or continent goes dark. Lets say Australia and Indonesia are first. Australia is completely wiped off the face of the earth. Flyovers and ground patrols sent in form the UN, UK and US confirm that all life human and animal on the continent of Australia is gone, the continent is end level category. Then Indonesia is next and the virus starts to eat its way through Japan and then the continent of Asia.
How long before the UK and or others countries in a concerted effort force the United States to either give up the children for testing or invade the US and take it over in order to test on the children themselves.
What if it was Africa. As areas of the map go dark how long do you think it would take the UK and the US to invade Africa or how long would it take for Russia and China to invade Africa.
Stuff to think about.
EDIT: One last thing. What happens when these two kids are the last people left on the planet. There are no animals for food. At the age of 11 and 6 how will they survive the physical dangers of the world Will they construct, will they learn and grow. How will they make it. Will they do like the old kingdom aristocracy* and try to procreate. This is also assuming that these kids are of a level of intelligence and competence to survive this ordeal.
*Noble blood lines would procreate with their own, in order to keep pureness in their bloodlines. If you take a superb female and a superb male and breed them they end result being a superb off spring. Of course at some point they would have to outcross the breeding as they do in dogs. In order to avoid any retardation, impairment or loss of cognitive ability. In dogs all breeders in breed their animals. You can breed a father with a daughter or a mother with a son but you cannot breed the brother and sister nor can you breed the offspring of the father daughter with the father or the mother. you have to bring in a new bloodline. That is how I remember it working, it has been a long time since I did any study in breeding bloodlines in animals. And my memory is not the greatest.