on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:25 am#32626
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:35 am#32628
I know alot of you can't catch it but Walton & Johnson is the best morning radio show ever produced. Its 2 guys who do 5 voice overs. Texas, Bama, and Georgia should be in range. You have to learn their personalities or you'll just be offended.
Its Steve Johnson, John Walton, and they do voices of Billy Ed (The white trailer park redneck), Mr 0 (the high class black womanizer), and Mr Kenneth (the homo hairstylist).
They say alot of things about race and sexism that others are scared to mention.
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on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:40 am#32631
you can't push your own agenda, without allowing others to do the same
I don't put people down on account of race or gender (except on COD), and I don't care for being treated as some oppressive regime, when as a middle class drone, I simply don't have the means to do so.
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:52 am#32646
Its a black woman someone interviewed on the street about what race she'd want to rescue her and rather it be a man or woman?
lol, they bring this stuff up all the time.
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:22 pm#32731
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:58 pm#32743
Notice how it's not good to be a proud white, straight man?
Well, look at our history.
Who has predominantly been the perpetrator of hate and/violence against these groups?
Straight, white men, and for centuries, or longer.
Historically, the "proud to be white" group, also hated blacks, and sought to torture or kill them.
The various prides emerged out of the varying degrees of discrimination those groups were on the receiving end of. It's like they're saying "in spite of the historical hatred toward my group, I am a proud member of it."
I see it as an evolutionary step in our society.
Sure it's more 'respectable' today to say as a black, a gay or a woman that you're proud to be part of that group, because historically, they were second or even third class citizens.
Am I proud to be white?
Historically speaking, no, not really.
If I lived there, would I be a proud American? Probably not.
Am I a proud Canadian? We're a nice group of people, but we're like vanilla ice cream....vanilla ice cream that actually fcked up bacon.
So, I guess not. Not a proud Canadian. Freedom Ham sucks my left nut.
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:11 pm#32753
Being fine with what I look like, or the group I belong to, has nothing to do with actions committed by people of the same skin color, but obviously lesser intelligence, years ago\
I'm a white guy who's just trying to make people laugh and do my thing without ruining the party for others
that's something to be proud of
except kill farmers and campers, f**k their face so hard, their children are born deformed
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:24 pm#32756
History is that, in the past. Carry on, get off my lawn honkey.
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:25 pm#32757
- Location : In my own little world
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:30 pm#32761
I was just racist by accident
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:45 pm#32782
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:05 pm#32788
- ShadowThis We'll Defend
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I don't care. lol I've heard worst.
As long as you can put up with my music while you play yours. We be buddies.
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:36 pm#32810
This is less about carrying the sins of our forefathers, than it is admitting that those who aren't white, straight males, have had a rather large ditch dug for them over the past 500+ years, and straight white males are the ones who have 'proudly' kicked members from each of those groups into it, over and over.
It isn't about feeling guilty about what those before us did, it's about recognizing the psyche, social standing, socio-economic, and moral inequality of those who are emerging from that ditch.
Black pride, gay pride and various women's movements didn't really gain traction until the middle to latter half of the 20th century....after centuries of second and third class status.
There was a pretty common psychology among these groups, where their worth/value was not just perceived to be low....but it actually was low (slavery 'real' until well into the 20th century, white supremacy and racism still strong in 21st century, women's sufferage in early 20th century, equal pay for equal work still not achieved in 21st century, gay rights organizations popped up mostly in the mid 20th century, and 60 years later, most gays are still in the closet and still at risk of myriad consequences for their sexual orientation).
So, to be "proud" of your membership in a group that has, with near universality, and for cernturies, been discriminated against, enslaved, underpaid, mistreated, demerited, discounted, etc... is so much different than another's prideful membership in the dominant/ruling group. I can thump my chest and say "proud white man", but, I haven't got any real consequences for that assertion, and no real barriers placed in front of me because of that status.
That changes dramatically if I say "Proud gay man". Not too long ago, I could have lost my job for that. Being gay, even now, carries severe consequences. In many places in NOrth America, I wouldn't be able to marry my parnter, and if I got the token 'union', I would still be one teir below the heterosexuals.
Gay pride is (according to wiki) the positive stance against discrimination and violence toward lesbian and gay people, to promote their self-affirmation, dignity, equality rights, increase their visibility as a social group, build community, and celebrate sexual diversity and gender variance. Pride, as opposed to shame and social stigma, is the predominant outlook.
No need for declarations of color, becasue that alone carries with it an entirely different set of baggage. Sht, even having a black sounding voice on the PS3 opens you up to a barrage of sht that wouldn't come at a white sounding individual. Imagine walking in to a store, a job interview, or a white father's home to pick up his daughter.
Black Pride is simply an extension of the above definition for gay pride. To combat the history of voilence and discrimination against their people, and to effect change in the psychology and esteem of the group, and move from second class citizens to equals.
Would anyone care to argue the point that any of those 3 groups have been, or currently are, on equal and level field with the straight white male?
Being proud of who you are is one thing, and what you've accomplished, another, but to be proud to be a member of a still ostracized, discriminated against, unequal and second class group of individuals, is another thing entirely.
Be proud to be white, but seriously, white men haven't climbed out of the same historical ditch as people who have been, and still largely are, regarded as second class citizens (by the straight white male contingent).
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:41 pm#32811
- Location : Ohio, USA
Im a white male. COMBINE those 2 and im a whale. Are you calling me fat?
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:52 pm#32815
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:57 pm#32817
- Location : New York
Being born and living in the ghetto pretty much my entire childhood and doing foster care and day care, I've grown up with a deep understanding and acceptance of other races. Almost to the point of the ignorance out there in the world, namely, Georgia *cough*. We were recently visiting the aquarium there and my sister (who is black) was with us and had people on more than one occasion give us dirty looks and even say "that isn't right"...... and this is just recently.
So after fighting and overcoming so much, I can see the mindset behind someone being proud to be black and the trials and tribulations their ancestors went through (same mindset with homosexuals and females).
on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:16 pm#32821
Why should I feel bad about what I am, I had nothing to do with it.
on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:06 am#32859
Maybe...lucky to be white....because, that's what we white males are, is lucky. We're lucky that there isn't a gigantic chasm from which we have to climb.
We're lucky we're not viewed as inferior even when there is no evidence of inferiority, that we're not viewed as lesser beings, or even as a 'thing' rather than a person.
Being proud indicates that there was some struggle to achieve the position one finds themselves in. Royalty can't be 'proud' to have that genetic / familial lineage, they are lucky. Can't be proud to have facial features found attractive by the opposite sex, because you were just born with them.
IMO, pride is the result of an achievement, not a birthright.
Women, blacks and gays all face challenges that re so deeply entrenched in our historically white/straight/male dominated societies, that as a straight white male, we can't even begin to comprehend.
Every male, of evey race, earns more than their female counterparts.
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Follow the trail all the way back to university opportunities, university admissions, high school opportunities, etc. I wrote my thesis on the varied learning experiences in a school based on gender. The resultant differences in earnings don't just happen, they are set in motion in grades as low as elementary school.
on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:08 am#32860
on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:21 am#32893
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