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No, not being callous, just echoing the rationale that we're sure to hear from the Lott-Loving NRA followers.
More guns = more gun related deaths and injuries.
Psychologically, people are fcked, but this really is predominantly American phenomenon.
I'm always saddened to hear of these stories...even more so when the perpetrators take their own lives. Cowards.
These ones are still alive, no?
Have gotten few bits and pieces on it all, not up to date on all details.
An elementary school. 18 children. That is disgusting. I dont need to click the link, was watching the news when it broke.
A 24 year old. I AM 24. There is no way in hell I could ever think to do something like this.
F*cked up people.
Damn, it builds a rage inside. Haven't watch or listened to the news, heard of it from friends. That shit is bad. And I hope the shooter gets his.
It feels like every few months we are talking about another shooting in the US. The batman shootings in August, and now this in the same year. Something has to fundamentally change to set it right
He spoke about Nicole Simpson's affairs etc, and how OJ ended up killing her. He said, "I don't think he shoulda killed her, but I understand..."
And to an extent, this is where I am with these mass murders vs the normal everyday homicides. I rarely agree with the killer, but, sometimes I find that I can understand what brought them there.
One spouse kills the other in a 'crime of passion'. I get it. I can get my head around the irrational and inconsolable rage that the killer might have felt. Or a Dad who goes on the attack and kills someone who harmed his child. My head can go there. I get it.
I can even understand road rage. Nevr one to get out of a vehicle to drop the gloves, but, sometimes we're all a perfect storm a brewing.
Impulse crime is easier to understand than the calculated crimes carried out against innocent and defenseless victims.
This was a carefully planned attack, where the perpetrators had time to think through, "is this a good idea", and, routinely respond, "yes." Days, if not weeks of planning goes into something like this. No passion, or inconsolable rage is the root of it.
That to me is what's so wrong with it. I can't find a place in my brain that says, "I don't agree with it, but I understand..."
My prayers go out to all the families involved.
I'd feel disgust if it were only adults. But Children. Come on.
i am not even going to go into the politics of it or make a comment on whether america should change its gun laws. it is a tragedy and so close to christmas.
it makes me choke thinking of the parents who have probably been getting presents for their kids. i can't even contemplate the pain they must be going through and will continue to go through.
whatever was going on it this guys mind, i don't think most normal people will ever be able to comprehend.
i really don't know. i said i wasn't going to get into it. sometimes, i wish i had the right to own a gun, just to feel safer in the house.
i think, if people really want to kill, they will find a way.. be it through guns, knives, bombs or other ways.
i don't think that america seems to have a high rate of homicide is related to the gun laws, but something in american culture.
Man Slashes 22 Children...
BEIJING -- A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China's worst such incident in more than a year.
The attack was reminiscent of a spate of knife attacks on schoolchildren that took place across China in 2010. In most cases, the attackers were unemployed middle-aged men, leading to speculation that the assaults stemmed from economic and social discontent.
Friday's attack occurred at about 7:40 a.m. as children were arriving outside the gate of Chenpeng Village’s Wanquan Elementary School. The suspect, Min Yingjun, 36, allegedly slashed an elderly woman as well as the children. Local propaganda officials said later that Min had a psychological illness.
Pictures uploaded to the Internet by bystanders show family members carrying young children with bandages on their heads. The local reports state that four seriously wounded children were transferred to other hospitals for intensive care.
The scene of the attack lies within the limits of Xinyang City, a mountainous and poor municipality 600 miles south of Beijing. The region is renowned for maojian, a bitter and aromatic green tea grown in the mountains. Xinyang is also known as one of the areas hardest hit by the famine that accompanied Communist Party agricultural policies in the 1950s and 1960s. More recent government policy has encouraged the adult population in rural Henan to migrate to cities to look for employment.
In another incident, a 25-year-old man was arrested Thursday night in Beijing after a series of incidents in which young women were slashed on the subway with a box cutter. The New China News Agency said the young man had recently been jilted by a girlfriend and wanted "revenge on society."
In 2010, nearly 20 children were killed and 50 wounded in a string of copycat incidents around central China. China has strict gun control laws, so knives are the weapon of choice in violent crimes.
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Guns are not the problem here though. The problem is what messed someone up psychologically so bad as to where he would snap like this? Get to the root of the problem here, not just blame it on guns... and I'm sure video games are next up to be blamed for this.. maybe even Marilyn Manson.
Watch this from 1:22 and on. He has a very interesting perspective.
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but as walk has shown.. it isn't just happening in america.. things happen like this all over the world. but it seems to attract more media attention when it happens in america.
i had never heard of those things which happened in china, and they are equally as terrible and devastating.
maybe it is because of the lack of society. while it happens occassionally in europe and places such as canada, australia and new zealand. it doesn't happen as often. kaz mentioned the lack of mental health care. that could be something which is key to all of this. china doesn't really care about its people unless they have something to offer.
but whatever the reasons, it is still really saddening.. and i think that's what is most important right now. thinking of the people affected and the grief they must be experiencing.
I guess we just see things differently. I never said you were wrong I just stated my opinion.
Let's say that this is the 25th time this happened in an elementary school classroom. Each time 20 children died.
Now imagine that whole 25 and 20 scenario being played out with the following:
25/20: A teacher poisons his class using DMSO and concentrated nicotine on the underside of the desks or uses Tetrodotoxin or creates a CIA shellfish toxin ala 1960's.
Would people be screaming about the sale of DMSO a readily available ingredient. How about banning nicotine. There is already a law against owning a Reticulated Puffer fish or Blue Ring in some states but I can go into the woods and find any number of California Newts. (California being one such state to have strict laws on owning the former)
25/20: A man drives his car through a school yard or into the classroom.
No more driving? Or are we to make every school area a Korean road drop barricade.
25/20: A man locks the classroom doors and breaks all of their necks by hand.
No teacher with a certain body strength...
25/20: A man enters a school yard and using a machete kills. Or uses a steak knife.
25/20: A man hands out candy tainted with his blood and he has hepatitis C.
25/20: A man using a bag of frozen carrots kills all the kids by choking them or stabbing them through the eye.
It is not the guns. It is society. Guns are simple, easy to get and readily available to anyone who has the money or the connections regardless of if they were illegal or not. It is not just the US it is everywhere. I have never heard of something like this happening in the US have you?
People blame the US for a lot and sure some of it is justified (maybe) but they sure love our soldiers when we are protecting them and doing something while other nations sit and watch. They sure want our military tech when the guy next door starts to get brazen. And they sure as hell want our weapons and the technology behind them when they feel someone else could have the upper hand.
Slippery slope, where does one draw the line.
this kind sht is disgusting. and whats worse is that the socially awkward kids post on facebook on how every one only pretends to care about the victims, and how they dont give a ****. srsly, **** those guys too. definitely getting a handgun when i'm older.
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